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      Em đi trên đường cũng chợt nghĩ về cái gì đó 'giống giống' vụ
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      - a. Nghĩa đã nêu ra matrix, e 'ăn theo' chút: <br>
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      - a. Nghĩa đi giao giảng rất nhiều về mô hình tháp: người tiêu
      dùng, người đóng góp và người lãnh đạo - về bản chất mô hình 4
      cánh hoa cộng đồng mà Tuấn theo đuổi hay mô hình tháp 3 tầng của
      a. Nghĩa đều có 'vùng giao thoa' <br>
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      Trong VFOSSA xem có thầy nào cao tay, bấm quẻ lấy giờ đẹp để chủ
      tịch phát lệnh trong 30 giây biểu quyết ra một mô hình, sau đó
      từng cá nhân, tập thể 'tự nhận' phần mình - sau đó BCH xét duyệt
      đưa ra quyết định. <br>
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      Bằng cách đó, sự toàn vẹn của tinh thần đoàn kết được gìn giữ và
      mọi người biết việc/vị trí của mình.<br>
      - e. H <br>
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      On 01/02/2014 05:04 PM, Nghĩa Lê Trung wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">2014/1/2 Nghĩa Lê Trung <span
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                href="mailto:letrungnghia.foss@gmail.com"
                target="_blank">letrungnghia.foss@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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                    <div class="im">2014/1/2 Ta Quang Thai <span
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                          href="mailto:thaitq@gmail.com" target="_blank">thaitq@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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                          <div>Phân tách: 1. Phát triển; -&gt; 2. Ứng
                            dụng; -&gt; 3. Ủng hộ; <br>
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                    <div>Chỉ là gợi ý: <br>
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                    <div>Sao mọi người không dùng một matrix từ 2 mô
                      hình có sẵn rồi mà chia cho nó nhanh và 1 lần là
                      triệt để luôn. Xem các hình đính kèm. <br>
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                    <div>1. Hình về cộng đồng FOSS:<br>
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                    <div>Cái này là do Simon Phipps, Chủ tịch của OSI
                      nghĩ ra.<br>
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                    <div>Xem bài: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://vnfoss.blogspot.com/2011/10/cac-dang-cong-ong.html"
                        target="_blank">http://vnfoss.blogspot.com/2011/10/cac-dang-cong-ong.html</a><br>
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                    <div>2. Hình về hệ sinh thái FOSS<br>
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                    <div>Cái này từ sách Tây Ban Nha ra.<br>
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                    <div>Xem: <br>
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                      Tạo ra một cái bảng. Đưa 4 yếu tố của Hình 1 thành
                      hàng và đưa 4 yếu tố của Hình 2 thành cột rồi cứ
                      theo đó mà đánh dấu là xong.<br>
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                    <div>Vừa chi tiết, vừa chuẩn?<br>
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                                <div>2014/1/2 Luu Van Hau <span
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                                      href="mailto:hau.lv@i3-vietnam.com"
                                      target="_blank">hau.lv@i3-vietnam.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
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                                    Ngày đầu đi làm 2014, xin chúc Chủ
                                    tịch, anh chị cùng các bạn một năm
                                    mới sức khỏe và thành công!<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Em theo dõi trao đổi và xin góp ý:
                                    thực ra về chủ trương và các hoạt
                                    động đến nay của VFOSSA đang đúng
                                    hướng (2 năm qua), chưa có vấn đề gì
                                    thực sự lớn đến mức 'khó giải quyết'
                                    (theo ngôn ngữ IT thì nó là issues
                                    chứ chưa thành mức problems, hoặc
                                    serious problems). Điều mọi người
                                    cần tính: các bước đi tiếp thế nào
                                    để đảm bảo VFOSSA luôn đúng hướng.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Với 1 doanh nghiệp hay tổ chức, cơ
                                    bản kể cả khi thống nhất được mục
                                    tiêu (goal, vision, strategy...) --
                                    việc điều chỉnh cho phù hợp thực
                                    tiễn luôn là việc cần phải làm.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Em ủng hộ suy nghĩ 'phân lớp'
                                    (category) của Tuấn để tách 'các
                                    thành phần giai cấp' tránh gây nhầm
                                    lẫn không cần thiết. Điều quan trọng
                                    nhất với một tổ chức như VFOSSA là
                                    phải giữ bằng được 'thần sắc' riêng:
                                    VFOSSA là 1 CLB thuộc VAIP, vậy
                                    VFOSSA không thể và không nên 'giống
                                    giống' VAIP, đặc biệt cần khác biệt
                                    với VINASA (hay các tổ chức khác).<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Tại i3, một trong cách tổ chức là
                                    đưa mọi xung đột (conflict
                                    management) 'lên mặt bàn' - về bản
                                    chất xung đột là sự kiện tự nhiên,
                                    luôn có xung đột ẩn và xung đột hiện
                                    - nếu chúng ta có thể 'lôi mọi việc
                                    ra ánh sáng' thì bên ngoài nhìn vào
                                    có vẻ rất lộn xộn, nhưng từng bước
                                    bên trong sẽ tự điều chỉnh tạo ra
                                    gắn kết lâu bền, khắc phục điểm yếu
                                    cốt tử lý tưởng hóa cá nhân của nền
                                    văn minh lúa nước nói chung.<br>
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                                    Cheers!<br>
                                    - e. Hậu
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                                        On 01/02/2014 10:23 AM, Truong
                                        Anh. Tuan wrote:<br>
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                                            From: "Vu The Binh" &lt;<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:binh@netnam.vn"
                                              target="_blank">binh@netnam.vn</a>&gt;<br>
                                            To: "nguyen hong quang" &lt;<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:nguyen.hong.quang@ifi.edu.vn"
                                              target="_blank">nguyen.hong.quang@ifi.edu.vn</a>&gt;,
                                            "VFOSSA Members" &lt;<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:members@lists.vfossa.vn"
                                              target="_blank">members@lists.vfossa.vn</a>&gt;<br>
                                            Sent: Wednesday, January 1,
                                            2014 7:07:22 PM<br>
                                            Subject: Re: [VFOSSA] Chúc
                                            mừng năm mới 2014!<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Năm 2013 quả là VFOSSA đã
                                            làm được một số việc tạm gọi
                                            là "hô to", chờ đợi<br>
                                            một năm 2014 "làm mạnh".<br>
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                                            Thách thức 2014 và các năm
                                            tiếp theo của VFOSSA, cũng
                                            như FOSS Việt Nam, có<br>
                                            lẽ và có thể là:<br>
                                            - làm thế nào thể phát triển
                                            rộng mà không mất "chất"
                                            FOSS, nhưng cũng không<br>
                                            cực đoan FOSS để số đông mất
                                            cơ hội<br>
                                            - mô hình kinh doanh bền
                                            vững và thực chất, tạo "công
                                            ăn việc làm" trên<br>
                                            PMTDNM cho nhiều nhiều doanh
                                            nghiệp<br>
                                            - dịch chuyển đủ nhanh để
                                            đón xu thế "thuê/mua dịch
                                            vụ" của cộng đồng doanh<br>
                                            nghiệp, cũng như "public
                                            sector"<br>
                                            - các thành viên "tên tuổi"
                                            như Viettel, FPT, VDC3 tham
                                            gia VFOSSA là một tin<br>
                                            tốt, nhưng tiếp theo họ
                                            "chơi" vai gì để thúc đẩy
                                            FOSS ở Việt Nam, cũng như<br>
                                            có ích cho chính họ, là một
                                            câu chuyện cần có lời giải<br>
                                            - VFOSSA vẫn giữ được "chất"
                                            của mình nhưng cũng vững
                                            vàng như một tổ chức<br>
                                            kiểu "hiệp hội/hội"<br>
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                                          +1 với các ý của Bình. Chỉ
                                          comment thêm một chút:<br>
                                            * thành viên giờ đã nhiều
                                          rồi, nên phân lớp ra để tiện
                                          làm việc với nhau. Cụ<br>
                                              thể, để đơn giản nên chia
                                          thành 2 lớp: i/ thích/ủng-hộ
                                          FOSS và ii/ làm FOSS<br>
                                              (cần thì thêm một lớp
                                          giữa: sử dụng FOSS để cung cấp
                                          dịch vụ). Vào VFOSSA<br>
                                              đương nhiên là lớp (i)
                                          rồi; ai muốn vào lớp (ii) thì
                                          cần tham gia ít nhất<br>
                                              một dự án theo đúng kiểu
                                          FOSS. Việc này sẽ chủ động và
                                          minh bạch hơn cho cả<br>
                                              những quan hệ bên trong
                                          VFOSSA cũng như với bên ngoài.<br>
                                            * qui trình gia nhập hiện
                                          tại [1] là tương đối clear và
                                          đơn giản rồi, chỉ cần<br>
                                              đăng ký form online để
                                          kích hoạt qui trình thẩm tra.
                                          Nếu ai đó bảo qui<br>
                                              trình chưa rõ ràng hay quá
                                          phức tạp là sai; quan trọng
                                          chỉ là ở quá trình<br>
                                              thẩm tra chưa có người
                                          làm. Trong khi chưa có người
                                          dedicated (BTK), nếu<br>
                                              không ai làm thì tôi xin
                                          xung phong, chứ đừng để toàn
                                          kết nạp theo kiểu<br>
                                              thiếu thông tin hay tệ hơn
                                          là kết nạp những thành viên
                                          không thực sự ủng hộ<br>
                                              FOSS; điều này không có
                                          lợi gì cho cộng đồng. Đừng để
                                          biến BCH thành "nghị<br>
                                              gật", đưa một thứ chưa đủ
                                          thông tin rồi bắt BCH vote lấy
                                          "ý kiến đa số".<br>
                                            * và đừng nên cố gắng phân
                                          biệt "cực đoan" hay không mà
                                          nen là "đang cố gắng<br>
                                              làm đúng" hay không.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Nhân dịp năm mới, có vài dòng
                                          ngắn gọn tiếp tục cố gắng thúc
                                          đẩy VFOSSA phát<br>
                                          triển theo hướng có lợi cho
                                          FOSS. Nếu chỉ làm theo kiểu
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